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Fred Blogz
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 Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 13:34 pm Post subject: Tom Levitt & my 'discrimination' |
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Is there a veiled threat in Levitt's reply? He is concerned that my 'letter discriminates on grounds of colour'.
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:13:22 +0100
From: ****
To: Andrew.Bingham@highpeak.gov.uk, tomlevittmp@parliament.uk
Cc: ****
Subject: Forcing the English to vote extreme
Message-ID: <gemini.krysi7000u3ap004k.****
Mail-Followup-To: Andrew.Bingham@highpeak.gov.uk,
tomlevittmp@parliament.uk,
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Dear Andrew Bingham and Tom Levitt,
This morning, 23.10.09, I find myself deeply upset and disturbed, in a state equating almost too mild shock. Until watching QT on BBC last night, 22.10.09, I had not been aware of the extent and depth of the anti-English bigotry endemic within the British/UK political establishment, the Conservative Labour and Lib/Dem parties*. A more odious set of racist Anglophobes fielded on that programme is hard to imagine. Yet these are the people who strut about claiming the moral high ground, affecting to represent the pinnacle of fairness and equality.
One had been aware for some time that there is an anti-English bias in the British/UK establishment, a bias that discriminates against ethnic White English as evidenced by the sad, mean case of Abigail Howarth. That particular episode, (and how many more are there which go unreported), is direct evidence of the unbelievable depths of hypocrisy of which the British/UK establishment is capable, because it is not possible to discriminate against that which does not exist.
In order to discriminate against the ethnic White English like Abigail Howarth, it is necessary to recognise their existence as ethnic White English. Without such recognition, the discrimination against them would not be possible. Therefore, the very occurrence of the discrimination indicates that the existence of the ethnic White English is recognised by the British/UK establishment. Yet, and here is where the hypocrisy is undeniably demonstrated, that sordid coterie of British/UK Anglophobes on QT last night were in full denial of the existence of the ethnic White English.
I can also confirm that if the 2011 Census form ‘refuses’ to allow confirmation of my identity as ethnic White English, I as a retired pensioner with no mortgage and no job to worry about, will refuse to sign the page 1 declaration - ‘This form is completed to the best of my knowledge and belief’. If the declaration cannot be signed, there will be no point in filling out the form. In those circumstances, the form will not be filled out and the British/UK establishment can do its worst. I will go to prison first. And then I will still not complete that contumelious document. No doubt, at this point in time, it will be put down to bravado. Time will tell.
The above is not an essay. There is no point in arguing with bigotry, anti-English or any other kind. The only possible answer to the threatened elimination of the ethnic White English, and the deliberate destruction of our society and culture, is in the ballot box. If that means voting extreme, so be it. Concerns about denial of the Holocaust and other bigoted absurdities have to be put aside in the desperate battle for our ethnic and
cultural survival.
Yours sincerely
‘It is a most miserable thing to feel ashamed of home.’ Charles Dickens.
Oikophobia
http://www.encyclo.co.uk/define/oikophobia
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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:56:44 +0000
From: ****
To: Tom Levitt <tomlevittmp@parliament.uk>
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Subject: Re; ForcingTheEnglishToVoteExtreme
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Dear Tom Levitt,
I am in receipt of your reply dated 06 November 2009, and I notice your veiled threat about my supposed discrimination.
My email did not mention Nick Griffin, or defend him or his party, and your references to him are irrelevant to the substantive issue. However, the email did make it plain that I have no interest in entering into discussion with any Westminster MP on the substantive issue, which is the existence of the ethnic white English.
Yours sincerely
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Lance Dragon
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 13:41 pm Post subject: |
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The assertion that the Irish and Welsh are the natives of these islands is a lie.
My experience of Poles is that they are fierce nationalists. Maybe that is why I get on well with the ones I know. They have no time for those in England who deny the English their nationality and who seek to qualify it.
What this Levitt buffoon blinded himself to was that his blood relatives regard themselves as English, but are denied the opportunity to say so on the blasted census.
What a total twat!
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Æscing
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 15:08 pm Post subject: Re: Tom Levitt & my 'discrimination' |
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So where does one start with this self-loathing drivel?
| Quote: | If you would care to define "ethnic white English" then I will happily respond to the points you make.
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Anyone who considered themselves English prior to when the floodgates were opened in 1948, and had no other obvious affiliation.
| Quote: | | These people no longer exist |
What sort of sophistry is that? No one is suggesting you have to be 17,000 years old to be English. Nick was talking about the descendants thereof. Not that I even think it this matters.
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1,700 years ago now populate Ireland and the far west of Wales only |
I don't know what Ireland has to do with this. By picking 309 AD I assume he is talking about the Brythonic people. Their genes are hardly confined to west Wales. Is he suggesting that the Anglo-Saxons utterly displaced them? I thought people like him preferred the mish-mash theory.
So if the people 17,000 years ago are gone, then the earliest people who are still here are indigenous.
| Quote: | | Angles, Saxons, Vikings, Normans contributed to the gene pool |
Angles, Saxons, Vikings and Normans being four groups of Germanic people, who would have "contributed" the same genes. Besides, so what if there has been some outside "contribution"? If there are no indigenous people then what was contributed to?
It's all very convenient that the indigenous peoples of England were literate so kept records of invasions, without realising that there would come a time when their own records would be used against them to demonstrate that they don't really exist.
All this Norman, Viking, Saxon nonsense is ridiculous. Prior to 1948 one ethnic group occupied the overwhelming majority of England and they were the English. It doesn't matter if Saxons and Normans had contributed to their gene pool a thousand years ago, that's not their fault and it's got nothing to do with the Pakistani getting off the plane in 2009. It's not as if the Vikings and Normans were invited here to fill labour shortages.
I suppose if someone is part Sioux and part Navaho then that disqualifies them from being Native American?
| Quote: | | My own family has been in England for less than 300 years |
I find it pretty hard to believe that he is entirely descended from immigrants who arrived after 1709. I suspect he is arbitrarily choosing to focus on one particular surname.
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Lance Dragon
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 17:54 pm Post subject: Re: Tom Levitt & my 'discrimination' |
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| Æscing wrote: | So where does one start with this self-loathing drivel?
| Quote: | If you would care to define "ethnic white English" then I will happily respond to the points you make.
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By suggesting that it doesn't matter what he thinks. It matters what people regard themselves as and they are being denied the opportunity to state clearly what they regard themselves as. Likewise, they are being denied the right to self-determination because those busy filling expenses claims refuse the English a referendum on an English Parliament.
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egbert
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| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 22:32 pm Post subject: Re: Tom Levitt & my 'discrimination' |
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| Lance Dragon wrote: | | Æscing wrote: | So where does one start with this self-loathing drivel?
| Quote: | If you would care to define "ethnic white English" then I will happily respond to the points you make.
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By suggesting that it doesn't matter what he thinks. It matters what people regard themselves as and they are being denied the opportunity to state clearly what they regard themselves as. Likewise, they are being denied the right to self-determination because those busy filling expenses claims refuse the English a referendum on an English Parliament. |
Time and time again these self-appointed, sanctimonious moralists miss the point, which Lance has correctly stated above.
As Lance says, it doesn't matter what folk like Levitt think inasfar as he's free to regard himself as a Martian pig if his wishes that to be his identity, but it does matter that such inadequates are able to impede the English from identifying ourselves as WE wish and prevent us from exercising no fewer and no lesser rights than Scots!
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Fred Blogz
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 16:54 pm Post subject: |
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Tom Levitt wrote;
"I am rather concerned that you letter discriminates on the grounds of colour in a way that even Mr Griffin did not choose to do on the programme."
I think the above is the most significant remark in Levitt’s reply. It exposes his Labour conviction that to support the recognition of the existence of the ethnic white English is of itself discriminatory. Just that alone!
Just recognising the ethnic white English, without any claim that the ethnic white English should be given preference, is discriminatory according to Levitt. Whereas Labour’s treatment of the young white English woman Abigail Howarth is quite fair and proper, according to the likes of Tom Levitt.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-473249/English-girl-barred-Government-job--wrong-kind-white.html
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Æscing
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 17:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Fred Blogz wrote: | I think the above is the most significant remark in Levitt’s reply. It exposes his Labour conviction that to support the recognition of the existence of the ethnic white English is of itself discriminatory. Just that alone!
Just recognising the ethnic white English, without any claim that the ethnic white English should be given preference, is discriminatory. Whereas Labour’s treatment of the young white English woman Abigail Howarth is quite fair and proper, according to the likes of Tom Levitt. |
Do the ethnic English come in another colour?
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David Cameron Quotes:
25/06/06 BBC Sunday:
"There is quite a lot of Scottish blood flowing through these veins"
01/10/09 Evening Chronicle:
"I don't want to do anything that will encourage a sense of English nationalism"
15/09/06 Guardian:
"Sour Little Englanders, I'll fight them all the way"
13/05/07 Guardian:
"It is mainstream Britain which needs to integrate more with the British Asian way of life, not the other way around." |
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Fred Blogz
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| Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 19:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Æscing wrote: | | Fred Blogz wrote: | I think the above is the most significant remark in Levitt’s reply. It exposes his Labour conviction that to support the recognition of the existence of the ethnic white English is of itself discriminatory. Just that alone!
Just recognising the ethnic white English, without any claim that the ethnic white English should be given preference, is discriminatory. Whereas Labour’s treatment of the young white English woman Abigail Howarth is quite fair and proper, according to the likes of Tom Levitt. |
Do the ethnic English come in another colour? |
I suppose it depends on whose definition of ethnic you use. Race and colour doesn’t necessarily come into the definition. According to one common definition, I could readily accept as Black ethnic English, a black person who could trace his/her lineage back to the Roman occupation.
Actually, the adjective ‘white’ in ethnic white English implies there must be other ethnic Englishes. By implicitly accepting there are other ethnic Englishes, 'ethnic white English' becomes an inclusive term, not discriminatory as alleged by Levitt.
–adjective
1. pertaining to or characteristic of a people, esp. a group (ethnic group) sharing a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ethnic
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Look, on census forms now you can be ethnic Indian, Pakistani or Bangladeshi. So what's the difference? Two are those countries weren't formed before 1947, so they hardly have the weight of history behind them.
Therefore, it's not asking much to separate out English, Scottish and Welsh as ethnic groups. |
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egbert
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| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 19:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Fred Blogz wrote: | | Æscing wrote: | | Fred Blogz wrote: | I think the above is the most significant remark in Levitt’s reply. It exposes his Labour conviction that to support the recognition of the existence of the ethnic white English is of itself discriminatory. Just that alone!
Just recognising the ethnic white English, without any claim that the ethnic white English should be given preference, is discriminatory. Whereas Labour’s treatment of the young white English woman Abigail Howarth is quite fair and proper, according to the likes of Tom Levitt. |
Do the ethnic English come in another colour? |
I suppose it depends on whose definition of ethnic you use. Race and colour doesn’t necessarily come into the definition. According to one common definition, I could readily accept as Black ethnic English, a black person who could trace his/her lineage back to the Roman occupation.
Actually, the adjective ‘white’ in ethnic white English implies there must be other ethnic Englishes. By implicitly accepting there are other ethnic Englishes, 'ethnic white English' becomes an inclusive term, not discriminatory as alleged by Levitt.
–adjective
1. pertaining to or characteristic of a people, esp. a group (ethnic group) sharing a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ethnic |
Why do these exchanges almost invariably revert to references about 'definitions? Indeed, what is the requirement for a definition here? |
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Fred Blogz
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| Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 22:45 pm Post subject: |
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| egbert wrote: | | Fred Blogz wrote: | | Æscing wrote: | | Fred Blogz wrote: | I think the above is the most significant remark in Levitt’s reply. It exposes his Labour conviction that to support the recognition of the existence of the ethnic white English is of itself discriminatory. Just that alone!
Just recognising the ethnic white English, without any claim that the ethnic white English should be given preference, is discriminatory. Whereas Labour’s treatment of the young white English woman Abigail Howarth is quite fair and proper, according to the likes of Tom Levitt. |
Do the ethnic English come in another colour? |
I suppose it depends on whose definition of ethnic you use. Race and colour doesn’t necessarily come into the definition. According to one common definition, I could readily accept as Black ethnic English, a black person who could trace his/her lineage back to the Roman occupation.
Actually, the adjective ‘white’ in ethnic white English implies there must be other ethnic Englishes. By implicitly accepting there are other ethnic Englishes, 'ethnic white English' becomes an inclusive term, not discriminatory as alleged by Levitt.
–adjective
1. pertaining to or characteristic of a people, esp. a group (ethnic group) sharing a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ethnic |
Why do these exchanges almost invariably revert to references about 'definitions? Indeed, what is the requirement for a definition here? |
| Æscing wrote: | | Do the ethnic English come in another colour? |
The question seems to require consideration of just what types of people does 'ethnic' encompass.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 01:17 am Post subject: |
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| Fred Blogz wrote: | | egbert wrote: | | Fred Blogz wrote: | | Æscing wrote: | | Fred Blogz wrote: | I think the above is the most significant remark in Levitt’s reply. It exposes his Labour conviction that to support the recognition of the existence of the ethnic white English is of itself discriminatory. Just that alone!
Just recognising the ethnic white English, without any claim that the ethnic white English should be given preference, is discriminatory. Whereas Labour’s treatment of the young white English woman Abigail Howarth is quite fair and proper, according to the likes of Tom Levitt. |
Do the ethnic English come in another colour? |
I suppose it depends on whose definition of ethnic you use. Race and colour doesn’t necessarily come into the definition. According to one common definition, I could readily accept as Black ethnic English, a black person who could trace his/her lineage back to the Roman occupation.
Actually, the adjective ‘white’ in ethnic white English implies there must be other ethnic Englishes. By implicitly accepting there are other ethnic Englishes, 'ethnic white English' becomes an inclusive term, not discriminatory as alleged by Levitt.
–adjective
1. pertaining to or characteristic of a people, esp. a group (ethnic group) sharing a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ethnic |
Why do these exchanges almost invariably revert to references about 'definitions? Indeed, what is the requirement for a definition here? |
| Æscing wrote: | | Do the ethnic English come in another colour? |
The question seems to require consideration of just what types of people does 'ethnic' encompass. |
The question is usually asked when seeking to prescribe for others, but it is for each of us to choose our own identity ie what we regard as our identity.
We English are prevented from recording our own identity quite simply because others are prescribing for us. Why support that approach, that attitude which operates against us? Therefore, the question posed is not relevant and I decline to answer it. |
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Fred Blogz
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Buxton Advertiser
LATEST: Levitt to stand down
Published Date:
12 November 2009
By Emma Downes
HIGH Peak MP Tom Levitt has announced that he is to stand down at the next election.
In a statement Mr Levitt, who retained his seat in 2005 with a majority of 735, said: "It has been a huge privilege to represent the constituency in the House of Commons and I have enjoyed every minute of it, but it is time for me to move on."
Labour party members were told of his decision in an email sent on Wednesday evening.
http://www.buxtonadvertiser.co.uk/news/LATEST-Levitt-to-stand-down.5817707.jp
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1 A Hardworking High Peak Decorator,
Buxton 12/11/2009 19:49:20
So Mr Levitt is stepping off the gravy train? At least we know that he’ll do so into a very comfortable home.
We know he wont be in any danger from dodgy electrics, he did have a full “electrical safety check in 2004 (Cost £176.25)
And now he has more time on his hands he will be able to socialise more, perhaps have friends over ? Oh how nice that will be for his guests, sleeping on a nice sofa bed (Cost £1599)
Stepping from their lovely (and rather expensive, in my opinion) put-you-up. They will be able to walk effortlessly through his home, on the most wonderful wooden flooring (Cost £4000)
Through to the kitchen to get a drink from his new fridge (Cost £180). Perhaps they’ll fancy a good drink of Buxtons finest export, direct from his new “Kitchen Tap” (Cost £229)
Then its time to freshen up so whilst they marvel at the decoration and minor building work he has had done in his constituency home (Cost £1750). They can place there glass on the Monterey sideboard (Cost £795) and luxuriate in his latest addition to his lovely home, a lovely bathroom (Cost £5500)
We hope you have a lovely retirement Mr Levitt.
2 LordHawHaw ,
Sheffield 19/11/2009 13:58:46 (this is how it's printed)
Not just labour MP's with there snouts in the trough,more tories than labour and quite a few libs,mybe we should pay then a decent wage,so they can pay there staff,or pay then seperate,its been a whole mess this started by the Scrather government.Hope he does has a good retirement,been a hard working local MP,far more than a few tories i can mention.with there moats.
http://www.buxtonadvertiser.co.uk/news/LATEST-Levitt-to-stand-down.5817707.jp#comments
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